Dec. 20, 2024 (EIRNS)—During the Dec. 20 meeting of the International Peace Coalition, a discussion ensued between Prof. Steven Starr and Helga Zepp-LaRouche, in which Zepp-LaRouche asked if there weren’t war-planners in the U.S. who imagine that a “limited” war with Russia could be fought on European soil, and that therefore it is assumed that Europeans would become “collateral damage” in order to maintain U.S. hegemony. Starr responded in the affirmative, adding that “the hubris is so immense in Washington, they think they’re invulnerable. They think they can make Russia back down.” Zepp-LaRouche added that the logical consequence of this, therefore, is: “if Europe wants to survive, we should get the hell out of NATO as quickly as we can.”